Poll: How Much Will It Cost the City of Eureka to Provide City Services to WalMart?

There is of course another side to the balance sheet on the WalMart equation – WalMart boosters are always talking about increased sales tax revenue and jobs but there is a cost to the city involved having a high traffic big box retailer locate within the city limits.  Basically you are creating a new village of a thousand or so folks in the middle of the city and those thousand will require city services -fire, police, water, planning, traffic control & mitigation, health and safety inspections, etc. etc. 

I think that a half million a year for this figure is the absolute minimum expense, but it could be a lot more especially if the city must hire more employees to provide the services.  Add in a couple of cops. a couple of firemen, a city planner and a maintenance engineer and you are up to a million a year easily.  Now a million a year in more expense to the city means $100 more a year in property taxes to the average parcel in Eureka.  It puts saving that 3 cents on a bag of chips into perspective.

have a peaceful day,

Bill

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7 Responses to “Poll: How Much Will It Cost the City of Eureka to Provide City Services to WalMart?”

  1. What is the difference if it’s Wal-Mart, Costco, Target or Gottshalks? I have never heard it suggested that retail business costs a city more than it produces in sales tax. I’m not sure whether having Wal-Mart is a bad thing or not, but specious arguments like this only support those who favor the big W. I am pleased that they didn’t build on the Bay, just as I hope Arkley won’t build a Home Depot there. As to your argument I just don’t think it holds water.

  2. Well you have heard it suggested now, that retail business might cost more to the city than it brings in in tax revenue.

    Just calling my argument “specious” does not make it specious. What part of my analysis is incorrect?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  3. Your argument is specious because it doesn’t matter whether the retail business goes in there is a kmart, a walmart or a petco.

    The bayshore mall is already built – there is nothing “new” about this place in that it is NOT “Basically creating a new village of a thousand or so folks in the middle of the city”…

    You are pulling numbers out of the air, not even remotely based on reality…two new cops and a new planner? Again, this business is going into a space already zoned retail, which has been in constant use since the mid eighties when it was built…

    Have a less ignorant day.

  4. I am not pulling numbers out of the air. There will be several hundred direct WalMart employees, several hundred employees in ancillary businesses and several thousand visitors there every day. That is a village. What is there now is not even a hamlet.

    Is it your position that a big box retailer going into a small mall like Bayshore will have no impacts on the city? Has the city done a cost benefit analysis of the WalMart opening?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  5. “I am not pulling numbers out of the air.”

    Uhh, yes you are. You are acting as if this Walmart coming into the Bayshore mall is some kind of big box superstore. It is not. It is one of their newer small stores.

    ” There will be several hundred direct WalMart employees”

    Bill, there may well be a hundred or so employees, but “several hundred” is laughable. Even if your contention was correct, they would not all be working there at the same time, and you are discounting the fact that Gottschalks also had employees working there when open.

    ” several hundred employees in ancillary businesses”

    Like delivery businesses and others that currently serve the other retail businesses at the Bayshore Mall?

    “and several thousand visitors there every day.”

    The Bayshore Mall has several thousand visitors there every day now – perhaps not as much as in the past, but this is precisely the PERFECT LOCATION a retail business like a Walmart should go.
    To answer your own silly questions, as this is an appropriately zoned business for the Bayshore Mall property, it means all the studies/insfrastructure needs/analysis has already been done before the mall was built in the first place.

    “That is a village. What is there now is not even a hamlet.”

    No, Bill, it is a MALL. When was the last time you even there? I thought you only patronized local establishments with your business.

    Have a less ignorant day.

  6. If you are citing studies done before the mall was built – 20 to 30 year old studies – well that is ludicrous.

    I would like to see an up to date study by the city engineer analyzing the increased cost to the city of street maintenance on the South Broadway corridor and side streets as a result of the WalMart expansion into the mall over the next ten years. I would like to see the Chief of Police tell us how he is going to provide police services to a transient population of a thousand or so citizens for 16 hours a day without needing more officers and equipment or degrading the service that is currently in place for the rest of the city. I would like to see a similar study from the Fire Chief.

    Then I would also like to see the study from the City Manager outlining how much tax revenue will be anticipated from the Walmart, and how much it is anticipated that tax revenues will fall from other businesses, and thus how much net tax revenue gain is anticipated. And then we could compare it to the anticipated costs above and reach some conclusions.

    Have these recent, relevent studies been done? And if not, why not?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  7. You want, you would like to see…blah blah blah

    The city has no say in this Bill…again NO SAY – why? Because this is an appropriate retail use for a piece of property that is zoned for…wait for it….A FARKING MALL.

    Neither you, nor the city have any say regarding net gains or losses in sales taxes.

    Please, I am BEGGING YOU!!!!!! For the love of my entertainment needs, come to the next city council meeting and pose these questions.

    Have a much less ignorant day.

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